ABC News Political Analyst Steve Roberts said that President Trump lost last weeks debate but Joe Biden didn't win.
"It's clear what happened in the debate (last week) is Trump lost it but Biden did not win it in the view of many Republicans (and) so many Americans as rude and obnoxious. Joe Biden is not setting anyone on fire and the more the focus is on Trumps weaknesses, mistakes and mishandling of the virus the better it will be for Biden," said Roberts.
Len asked Steve his take on whether or not we should take polls seriously.
"All the pros don't look at any one poll they look at the average of all the polls," said Roberts.
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